Post by nickd (Mylegal) on Mar 28, 2011 21:38:47 GMT
I think it's a good idea to run a thread on the J4A campaign. This way we can feedback on how we feel it's going in the same way people have been able to on the separate Sound Of For Justice thread.
At least this gives us an opportunity to feedback via this forum as to any suggestions we can make to uplift the J4A campaign.
From how it looked in collating material for the march; -
I'm sorry folks at Justice for All, but you had a head start on all of this; - it would be really good if you came forward with some material showing where you were with some pictures showing the PR side of the J4A protest; banner shots and so forth? - I watched a lot of the march on Saturday and haven't seen anything of your presence. I've also asked for material from you, - but have received nothing; - it would really help if we could start to collate it on here.
I also attended your meeting after the House of Commons event and asked for some Justice for All help with arranging a Devon event, I went on to ask for more stories etc to be passed our way so I could put it up on Mylegal - but I've heard nothing from you and seen very little in the way of stories over how people have been helped by legal aid. We have been told this is still our best evidence as the need is still for more powerful case studies. There are good examples made by people on here who make the effort (and yes I include myself) but there must be many more.
It would be really good to hear something back from Justice for All on here - you are who we look to for promoting our message, please tell us how it's being passed on? This isn't about being unfairly critical or entering into a competition as to which campaign is best - it's just about doing all we can to make sure our message and concerns are heard and ultimately culminate in an effective campaign.
Jman: Re your point on separate Sound Of For Justice post, whilst I get what you say; it is about communication. There's a lot of threads/posts on here and it helps if people highlight their efforts by coming forward and saying a little bit about what they've done, rather than rely on people picking it up by trawling posts. The main thing is J4A now have a thread of their own and what would be great is some news on how it's going. We all put in a lot of time in setting up some of these posts because we're trying to promote the message; - which is why I started one off on Mylegal about the march. There must have been loads of people there, what would be great is if we could just have some more feedback on how it went as far as J4A is concerned. All of this campaigning is only of value if we use what we've done to spread the word.
Fair point Nick there is a general issue with J4A about what they are doing to keep their members up to date with what is going on. As I told Patrick a few weeks back I did ask them if they could email members more regularly as to what they are up to. They now have a huge network of supporters and should be making more use of them. I was told that it's an issue of cost as it costs extra if they send out 1000s of emails,also they didn't want to overcontact members. It does seem a shame more use is not being made of the network. Not sure who is on the steering committee but there will be a real need to up the pace and utilise supporters fully if the government press on with legislation.
Post by nickd (Mylegal) on Mar 28, 2011 22:28:46 GMT
Appreciated Jman. Well let's hope this new thread sets up a few ideas on how we can help the J4A campaign along. Most of the committed crew read these posts on here; - so by way of suggestion J4A how's about having a dedicated liaison point on here to whom we can feed back our suggestions and concerns? - perhaps that would get over the problem of communicating individually via email - that's why these forums are here?
Post by jamessandbach on Mar 29, 2011 11:51:08 GMT
Suggest that you contact the campaign organisers directly (my direct line is 0207-833-7007 if you want to use me as a contact) rather than making assumptions about what the Justice for All Campaign is or is not doing. I'm reluctant to post campaign strategy thread discussions on a public discussion board such as this, as it can be snooped on by advisers to Government etc! Point taken about wanting more email communications from us etc..will take this back.
Thanks James that is helpful. The point is less what J4All may be doing behind the scenes, but about the involvement and flow of information to its membership. J4All is the most crucial of the lobbying bodies with a very large membership. The members are keen to know what is going on and also to have their enthusiasm utilised (see the post from Nickd above). It is therefore crucial to communicate and make full use of its membership, if we want to campaign effectively. It would be a shame if after a great start ,people are left to feel, rightly or wrongly, that nothing much is happening and they are not linked into the campaign and their ideas are not responded to. Your response is a helpful start to moving things on. PS Just checked and the last e-mail circular seem to have had from J4All was on 18 Feb. If there is a cost aspect, perhaps the representative bodies could get together to find a way round it eg each body sending out a chunk of e-mails to spread/reduce the cost
Let's also be just- Justice for All have got an article on their website making the excellent point that more people would lose out if legal aid were to be cut than were on the march. Also photos of the march-there you go!
" Half a million march - more will lose out on legal aid Half a million marched, but this huge crowd was still fewer than the number who would be affected by cuts to legal aid alone.
The trade union organised March for the Alternative successfully mobilised half a million people, including many from community organisations, who are concerned about the impact of Government cuts.
Jane Backhurst, Justice for All campaigner from law centres Federation, noted, "All these people here are still fewer than the number of people who'll lose out on legal aid. It's scary to see how many people this could affect."
Recent LAG research confirms over 650 000 people will lose legal aid, a figure seriously underestimated in the MoJ proposals.
Hundreds of campaigners for free legal advice joined the March for the Alternative on 26 March in London. Justice for All members, including Young Legal Aid Lawyers, the Law Society's Sound Off for Justice campaign and many from community advice agencies, turned out to stand up for free legal advice as a vital public service.
See photos from Justice for All member Legal Action Group"
Post by Patrick Torsney on Mar 29, 2011 20:01:47 GMT
I'm very glad that James has taken the initiative here and would say to people that I am sure he will monitor this thread so feel free to add any suggestions or telephone him directly - bear in mind what James says, however about putting things out in the public domain - I agree with James that it wouldn't be appropriate for J4A to be pasting any plans it has all over the public web so, some slack must be cut to the campaign!
I have to pick up on this, however...
rather than making assumptions about what the Justice for All Campaign is or is not doing
...by saying, that members of J4A (I am one) shouldn't need to be making assumptions about what J4A are up to. To my mind, a campaign should be exactly that, something where all members are clearly kept in the loop and know what the entity they have affiliated to is up to on their behalf
This is most easily achieved by email? It would cost J4A approx £30 per month to email its members and keep them up to date in this way, perhaps once a week. I'm at a loss why Citizens Advice, Advice UK, Law Centres Federation et al aren't prepared to foot this bill between them, assuming it is the money that is the issue, as suggested by an earlier poster here? Anyway, James has taken this away so enough of that
Post by nickd (Mylegal) on Mar 30, 2011 22:06:21 GMT
I think the point has probably been made here. It is good James that you've responded and I'm pleased to note that I've now had a follow up email from J4A. It really isn't about criticism over what J4A is doing, it's just about keeping everyone in the loop as regards what progress is being made. I completely see the logic in not talking strategy on a public forum, but none the less some degree of open dialogue about the way things are going would be great. In compiling one of the threads on the march over the weekend It would have been brilliant to have had some shouts from those who represented J4A. After all we want to do all we can to promote it, but can only do so if we are fed with the material.
It was great to see such a swift response being published an on here earlier today from Citizens Advice - that's the kind of material we want to see, it gives us hope to battle on.
We're all behind J4A on here, because ultimately that's what we want - 'Justice for All'. This is a perfect forum for promoting the campaign and we really would like to see as much mention as is strategically possible to keep track of how its going. It's great to see the J4A campaign up there with Sound Of For Justice - because we're all fighting for much the same.
Ilegal/Mylegal are key forums when it comes to spreading the word on all things legal aid. It never ceases to amaze me how much of a presence these forums have elsewhere on the internet - it's an excellent source of information and is almost always the first port of call when it comes to finding out what the latest news on the legal aid front is; - we could see that last night by how quickly the justice report was published after the embargo was lifted. We're on it whilst others sleep!!
Thanks for the contact details - that's most helpful.
Post by Colin Henderson on Apr 6, 2011 10:03:59 GMT
Latest initiative from Justice for All:
Day of Action announced on 3 June:
"Thanks for being one of the thousands already campaigning for Justice for All. MPs and Ministers are listening, but we can't stop now!
Be an action hero for justice! Day of Action - 3 June
Grow the campaign and show politicians we still care by engaging with MP and councillors, raising awareness through the media, reaching out in your community and using the Justice for All materials to show we are a growing movement.
Start planning what actions you can take now with others in your area. Let us know your ideas for action and resources so we can build the day of action together.
Post by Colin Henderson on Apr 14, 2011 8:40:19 GMT
David Gilmore's survey of MP's for J4A (see Patrick's posts above) has thrown up some interesting results.
51 MPs responded, 33 Labour and 18 anonymous coalition members. 9 out of 10 disagreed with the proposals re social welfare and immigration scope removal, 82% said the reforms could close their CABs and law centres and 88% said they expected their own workloads to increase substantially. David was apparently told by one cabinet minister he was opposed to the reforms but couldn't speak out.