Post by Patrick Torsney on Sept 8, 2009 11:04:41 GMT
Wardoll, I'm happy for you! Let us know what your elves come up with
Miriamm: I mentioned earlier in this thread that the plans appeared to be incorrect in some areas. I mentioned one large London provider who is in the wrong area in the CLS Directory and hasn't been included within the assessment of the area they are actually in in terms of NMS allocation for the region. They have asked their Account Manager to let them know what the position is but as far as I am aware have so far not had any reply
I would be interested to hear too if anyone decides to challenge the LSC about their particular plan, although I don't know how sensible it would be to give too much detail here on the forum given everybody and their uncle reads it these days
Here's my question to readers however, until someone actually suffers some loss eg is inhibited from bidding or is otherwise precluded unfairly from some aspect of the tender process itself, is any legal challenge actually possible or worth pursuing? After all, these are just plans and, as the LSC say in the Procurement page of the LSC website, are subject to change and "are not part of the formal tender documentation"?
We have been looking at the procurement plans for Leicestershire and Rutland. The NMS have been bundled together. Does anyone have an idea of how these bundles are then broken down into debt/welfare/housing? Another question I have is if we have a permanent presence in the procurement area, does this then mean that the other access points are visited as outreach, or would any kind of part time presence be required at other access points?
Post by Colin Henderson on Sept 16, 2009 13:44:25 GMT
First answer is short and easy - no, they will not be divided down - you bid for the total number of SWL starts you want but must agree to do the minimum number of each category as specified in your plan.
Second answer is big and complicated and depends what your plan says. For example, in our procurement area (large and rural) bidders are required to have a permanent presence in EACH access point (= district authority area for us) for which they bid. Outreach arrangements are NOT permanent presences. I understand you can try to negotiate to deliver outreaches at a later stage, but you can't get round having an office if that's what the plan wants.
Please do read the regularly updated questions and answers document www.legalservices.gov.uk/civil/8758.asp and if still unclear ask your own question cos it will be too late to get an answer when bids open (ie when you need it most!)
Thanks for your reply. Our plan states a permanent presence in the procurement area. We already have this as we are one of the access points. It does not state a permanent presence is needed at all of the access points.
Post by Patrick Torsney on Sept 18, 2009 9:07:07 GMT
I just want to echo Colin's point about questions on the Plans - make sure you email the Civil Reform Team (email address on the page in the link Colin gives) with ANY questions about the Plans. It's vital that it's the LSC that answers these questions, not us - you are then able to hold them to them as the process unfolds
Post by Colin Henderson on Oct 9, 2009 8:45:59 GMT
CitA have just confirmed they are putting together representations to LSC on the (in)accuracy of the figures on current matter starts or allocation of particular provider's starts to procurement areas. The email asks CABs to provide details of any issues you would like to raise by 21 October to: email@example.com